{"id":14755,"date":"2018-12-27T04:13:42","date_gmt":"2018-12-27T04:13:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/?p=14755"},"modified":"2018-12-28T04:15:06","modified_gmt":"2018-12-28T04:15:06","slug":"is-the-fda-being-grinch-like-in-raising-concerns-about-raw-cookie-dough","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/is-the-fda-being-grinch-like-in-raising-concerns-about-raw-cookie-dough\/","title":{"rendered":"Is the FDA being Grinch-like in raising concerns about raw cookie dough?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/profiles\/brian-zikmund-fisher-134954\">Brian Zikmund-Fisher<\/a>, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/theconversation.com\/institutions\/university-of-michigan-1290\">University of Michigan<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>For many people, the holiday ritual of baking cookies isn\u2019t complete without also eating some of the raw dough. In my family, questions like \u201cWho gets to lick the beaters?\u201d and \u201cCan I grab a piece of dough?\u201d were always part of the cookie-making experience. <\/p>\n<p>Yet, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fda.gov\/ForConsumers\/ConsumerUpdates\/ucm508450.htm\">repeatedly<\/a> issued <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/features\/no-raw-dough\/index.html\">warnings<\/a> about the dangers of consuming raw dough. Specific statements have included: \u201cThe bottom line for you and your kids is don\u2019t eat raw dough,\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t give your kids raw dough or baking mixes that contain flour to play with\u201d and \u201cDon\u2019t make homemade cookie dough ice cream.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In fact, the commissioner of the FDA tweeted <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SGottliebFDA\/status\/1072144200114806784\">a rhyme on the topic<\/a> on Dec. 10, 2018: \u201cYou can not eat it in a house. You can not eat it with a mouse. We do not like it here or there. We do not like it anywhere.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While Commissioner Scott Gottlieb\u2019s \u201c#FDA we are\u201d rhyme was a fun reference to the \u201cSam I am!\u201d of the Dr. Seuss\u2019 original \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.seussville.com\/books\/book_detail.php?isbn=9780394800165\">Green Eggs and Ham<\/a>,\u201d the FDA\u2019s message understandably raised confusion and concern among dough-loving consumers. <\/p>\n<p>So, this leads to two questions:<\/p>\n<p>1) Are there really risks of eating raw cookie dough? <\/p>\n<p>2) Is it appropriate for public health officials to imply that no one should eat cookie dough (something that I, and apparently many others, enjoy) because of this risk? <\/p>\n<h2>An important safety message \u2013 or a half-baked idea?<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"align-center \">\n            <img alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;fit=clip\" srcset=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=1 600w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=30&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=2 1200w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=15&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=3 1800w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=1 754w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=30&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=2 1508w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130606\/original\/image-20160714-23323-b8oy67.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=15&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=3 2262w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1466px) 754px, (max-width: 599px) 100vw, (min-width: 600px) 600px, 237px\"><figcaption>\n              <span class=\"caption\">Even a milkshake with dough gets the nix.<\/span><br \/>\n              <span class=\"attribution\"><a class=\"source\" href=\"http:\/\/www.shutterstock.com\/dl2_lim.mhtml?src=6XNuW9K8Y9CuBxlUTrsPew-1-16&amp;clicksrc=download_btn_inline&amp;id=306117461&amp;size=medium_jpg&amp;submit_jpg=\">From www.shutterstock.com<\/a><\/span><br \/>\n            <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>To answer the first question: Yes, there are indeed at least two kinds of potential risks related to consuming raw cookie dough. <\/p>\n<p>First, when most people think about health risks and cookie dough, they think about raw egg. Eggs can be contaminated with <a href=\"http:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/eating-raw-cookie-dough-led-moms-death-son\/story?id=26896037\">salmonella<\/a> bacteria, and food safety recommendations encourage people to cook eggs until the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.foodsafety.gov\/keep\/charts\/mintemp.html\">white and yolk are firm<\/a> in order to kill any bacteria. <\/p>\n<p>However, anyone making cookies can do things to reduce this risk by using pasteurized egg products. When my kids and I make cookie dough, we never use regular eggs. Instead, we use <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thespruceeats.com\/where-to-buy-pasteurized-eggs-995504\">shell eggs that have been pasteurized<\/a> to kill any harmful bacteria without actually cooking the egg itself. (A great public health innovation, if you ask me!) As a result, we don\u2019t have to worry about the eggs in the cookie dough.<\/p>\n<p>The other, often underappreciated risk of raw cookie dough is the risk of the flour itself. While contamination of raw flour is rare, it can happen. Wheat grows in fields close to animals. When they \u201cheed the call of nature,\u201d as the FDA put it, wheat can become contaminated. In 2016, there was a nationwide <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fda.gov\/Food\/RecallsOutbreaksEmergencies\/Outbreaks\/ucm504192.htm\">recall<\/a> of flour found to be contaminated with <em>E. coli<\/em> bacteria that led to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/davidkroll\/2016\/07\/01\/what-you-need-to-know-about-eating-raw-cookie-dough-uncooked-flour-products\/#79fa42466b14\">dozens of people getting sick<\/a>. Some were even hospitalized, and one went into <a href=\"http:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/davidkroll\/2016\/07\/01\/what-you-need-to-know-about-eating-raw-cookie-dough-uncooked-flour-products\/#79fa42466b14\">kidney failure<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Such recall notices are extremely important. When we know that a product is contaminated, we can and should make absolutely sure to get rid of it. As soon as I read the recall notice, I checked whether my extra flour was recalled. It wasn\u2019t. If it had been, or even if I hadn\u2019t been sure, I would have thrown it out, no questions.<\/p>\n<h2>A right to choose?<\/h2>\n<p>But, this takes us to the second of my questions: If we take steps to minimize risk (such as using nonrecalled flour and pasteurized eggs), do consumers really have to stop eating cookie dough because of these risks?<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m the last person to say that communications about public health risks are unimportant. Public health officials have a duty to warn people about the health risks associated with raw egg and even raw flour. When we have evidence that specific people are at risk, public health officials need to actively promote the actions that those people can take to minimize the identified risk. Doing so supports both public health objectives and individual decision-making.<\/p>\n<p>By contrast, when a public health agency unequivocally states \u201cDon\u2019t eat raw  dough\u201d (regardless of whether flour or other ingredients were affected by a recall or not), it is implying (falsely) that no one could rationally disagree.<\/p>\n<p>Well, I\u2019m a public health faculty member, and I disagree.<\/p>\n<p>I know that some public health officials will be horrified by my statement. They will believe that I am undermining their message and giving people permission to put themselves at risk unnecessarily.<\/p>\n<p>But the key word of the previous sentence is \u201cunnecessarily.\u201d Whether something is necessary or not is not a scientific judgment. It is a value judgment. An FDA official may personally believe that eating raw cookie dough isn\u2019t important and choose to never eat it. That is their choice.  At the same time, I can believe that eating cookie dough (made from flour known to be not part of the recall and pasteurized eggs) is something that I enjoy enough that I\u2019m willing to put myself and my children at (a very small) risk to do.<\/p>\n<h2>Of life and risk<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"align-center \">\n            <img alt=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;fit=clip\" srcset=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=1 600w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=30&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=2 1200w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=15&amp;auto=format&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=3 1800w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=1 754w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=30&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=2 1508w, https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/130607\/original\/image-20160714-23327-1t5x0zt.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&amp;q=15&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;h=503&amp;fit=crop&amp;dpr=3 2262w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 1466px) 754px, (max-width: 599px) 100vw, (min-width: 600px) 600px, 237px\"><figcaption>\n              <span class=\"caption\">A rare burger comes with risk on the side.<\/span><br \/>\n              <span class=\"attribution\"><a class=\"source\" href=\"http:\/\/www.shutterstock.com\/cat.mhtml?lang=en&amp;language=en&amp;ref_site=photo&amp;search_source=search_form&amp;version=llv1&amp;anyorall=all&amp;safesearch=1&amp;use_local_boost=1&amp;autocomplete_id=&amp;searchterm=rare%20hamburger%20meat&amp;show_color_wheel=1&amp;orient=&amp;commercial_ok=&amp;media_type=images&amp;search_cat=&amp;searchtermx=&amp;photographer_name=&amp;people_gender=&amp;people_age=&amp;people_ethnicity=&amp;people_number=&amp;color=&amp;page=1&amp;inline=442665505\">From www.shutterstock.com<\/a><\/span><br \/>\n            <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>As public health experts, we don\u2019t want people to treat food recalls like math problems and estimate their likelihood of getting sick. If you have affected food, you need to act. Period. <\/p>\n<p>But if I know that my flour is not recalled, then there is no specific reason to believe that the flour is not OK to eat raw. The only risk is the very small, baseline risk \u2013 for example, that the flour has been contaminated by a different and as-of-yet unknown source.<\/p>\n<p>We can\u2019t pretend that we live our lives without risk. I put myself and my children at risk every time we get into our car. Every time we eat sushi or rare hamburgers. Every time one of us takes medications. Every time we ride a bike or play soccer.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, many of us choose to do those things anyway, while minimizing risk when we can (for example, by wearing seat belts and bike helmets). We choose life and risk over safety and a life a little less enjoyable. It is not irrational to treat cookie dough the same way.<\/p>\n<p>So, to my fellow public health practitioners: Let\u2019s keep working on informing the public about health risks that they may not anticipate or appreciate. Motivating people to take immediate action about specific food recalls. Encouraging people to minimize risks. <\/p>\n<p>At the same time, let\u2019s all please remind ourselves that our goal is not to minimize all risk, no matter the cost. Our goal is to maximize life. Sometimes maximizing life means warning people that their flour is contaminated and making sure they throw it out. Sometimes maximizing life means letting them enjoy some (carefully prepared) cookie dough without shame.<\/p>\n<p>There is risk in eating raw cookie dough. Nonetheless, as I noted in <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/bzikmundfisher\/status\/1072622200245706754\">my Twitter reply<\/a> to Dr. Gottleib\u2019s rhyme: \u201c\u2026 if raw dough makes you rejoice, accepting risk might be a choice. \u2026 But it\u2019s your choice re what to do. Neither FDA nor I are you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>This is an updated version of an <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/why-public-health-worries-dont-have-to-ruin-your-cookie-dough-62410\">article<\/a> that was published originally on July 14, 2016.<\/em><!-- Below is The Conversation's page counter tag. 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In my family, questions like \u201cWho gets to lick the beaters?\u201d and \u201cCan I grab a piece of dough?\u201d were always part of the cookie-making experience. Yet, the U.S. Food and [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":44,"featured_media":14754,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[42],"tags":[745],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14755"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/44"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14755"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14755\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14757,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14755\/revisions\/14757"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/14754"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14755"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14755"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14755"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}