{"id":40890,"date":"2025-10-21T07:15:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-21T14:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/?p=40890"},"modified":"2025-10-21T23:33:49","modified_gmt":"2025-10-22T06:33:49","slug":"when-it-comes-to-ukraine-peace-negotiations-its-all-over-the-map","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/when-it-comes-to-ukraine-peace-negotiations-its-all-over-the-map\/","title":{"rendered":"When it comes to Ukraine peace negotiations, it\u2019s all over the&nbsp;map"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/profiles\/gerard-toal-507842\">Gerard Toal<\/a>, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/institutions\/virginia-tech-1078\">Virginia Tech<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Donald Trump is reportedly \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2025\/10\/20\/world-news\/trump-warned-zelensky-that-putin-could-destroy-ukraine-if-he-wants-in-closed-door-shouting-match-report\/\">sick\u201d of seeing maps<\/a> of the front line in Ukraine. Indeed, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec\">according to one European official\u2019s account<\/a>, he tossed aside Ukrainian delegation maps during <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec\">his latest meeting<\/a> with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House on Oct. 17, 2025.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Instead, Trump is said to have aggressively pushed Zelenskyy to accept Russia\u2019s terms to end the war and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/trump-urged-zelenskiy-cut-deal-with-putin-or-risk-facing-destruction-ft-reports-2025-10-19\/\">surrender all of the Donbas region<\/a> in Ukraine\u2019s east to Russian President Vladimir Putin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As a <a href=\"https:\/\/spia.vt.edu\/people\/Faculty\/toal.html\">political geographer<\/a> who has studied Eastern Europe and post-communist states, I know how crucial maps are to the dynamics of territorial conflicts and peace negotiations. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, for example, maps were <a href=\"https:\/\/academic.oup.com\/book\/26325\">central to the ethnic cleansing<\/a> that took place in the early 1990s, driving visions of creating mono-ethnic space through violence, and also to the ending of the war. Similarly, in the Caucasus, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Near-Abroad-Contest-Ukraine-Caucasus\/dp\/0190253304\">cartographic fantasies of homogeneous territories<\/a> have underwritten campaigns against ethnic others in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And it is no surprise that maps are a critical part of negotiations now to end the 3\u00bd-year conflict in Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2>Creative cartography<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Drawing partition lines on maps has always been a feature of stalemated territorial conflicts. U.S. negotiators in 1995 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.osce.org\/bih\/126173\">forged the agreement<\/a> that brought Bosnia\u2019s war to an end through last-minute cartographic adjustments ensuring that the settlement conformed to an already agreed-upon <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/books\/edition\/Bosnia_Remade\/y2ReAwAAQBAJ?hl=en\">49-51 percentage split of the territory<\/a> between Bosnian-Serb forces and those representing the Bosnian Federation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dividing territory in percentage terms, however, goes against the grain of how most people view their territorial homelands. In his famous account of <a href=\"https:\/\/ia601200.us.archive.org\/25\/items\/benedict-anderson-imagined-communities\/Benedict-Anderson-Imagined%20Communities.pdf\">nations as \u201cimagined communities<\/a>,\u201d the Anglo-Irish historian <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2016\/jan\/01\/benedict-anderson\">Benedict Anderson<\/a> described how states create nations through the widespread circulation of a common territorial map. In this way, map images became a type of state logo. Nations not only imagined themselves as a community but as belonging to a particular recognizable space, a familiar territorial homeland.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/697502\/original\/file-20251021-56-xr0e1a.jpg?ixlib=rb-4.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;fit=clip\" alt=\"Two people take a selfie in front of an outline of a map made with flowers.\" \/><figcaption>A decorative map of Ukraine made with flowers in Kyiv on Aug. 23, 2025. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gettyimages.com\/detail\/news-photo\/couple-makes-selfie-at-a-decorative-map-of-ukraine-made-news-photo\/2230751661?adppopup=true\">Sergei SupinskyAFP via Getty Images<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Territories in today\u2019s world have become instantly recognizable shapes on posters and T-shirts and in textbooks. Yet they are also experienced as something alive and personal \u2013 a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/uhpress.hawaii.edu\/title\/siam-mapped-a-history-of-the-geo-body-of-a-nation\/\">geo-body<\/a>,\u201d in the words of Thai historian Thongchai Winichakul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is part of what leads citizens, and nations, to feel deeply connected to their state\u2019s territorial boundaries. And it helps explain the generally persistent resistance of Ukrainians to territorial concessions to Russia \u2013 even though there are signs that popular <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tandfonline.com\/doi\/full\/10.1080\/21599165.2025.2538481\">sentiment is beginning to shift<\/a> after 3\u00bd years of war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fighting and dying for a homeland, as Ukrainian soldiers have done in their thousands, adds to the emotive power of territory. To many Ukrainians it isn\u2019t property they are being asked to concede but sacred and <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/indivisibleterri0000godd\/page\/n5\/mode\/2up\">indivisible land<\/a> paid for with blood.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This understanding of territory is quite different from that of Trump and his handpicked cadre of \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/10\/09\/us\/politics\/jared-kushner-gaza-deal.html\">deal guys<\/a>\u201d who treat international conflict like short-term business transactions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2>Misreading the map<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This pursuit of a deal over other considerations has a downside and can lead to missteps. Trump\u2019s special envoy for peace missions, Steve Witkoff, believed he had achieved something of a breakthrough during a meeting with the Russians in early August when looking at areas where Russia might withdraw on the map. German newspaper Bild reported that Witkoff, who does not speak Russian and didn\u2019t have his own translator, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bild.de\/politik\/ausland-und-internationales\/friedlicher-rueckzug-hat-trumps-mann-putin-falsch-verstanden-6895de301174f91cb081eb54\">misunderstood Putin\u2019s demand<\/a> of a \u201cpeaceful withdrawal\u201d of Ukrainians from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia as an offer of Russia\u2019s \u201cpeaceful withdrawal\u201d from those regions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because it led to the postponement of new U.S. sanctions and a summit proposal, the Russians went along with the misunderstanding, according to the Bild\u2019s reporting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Similarly, the subsequent Alaska summit was not the breakthrough Trump envisioned. Putin got the red-carpet treatment on U.S. soil but nonetheless subjected Trump to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/7af3b49e-c4da-405b-8199-3e12957b78c2\">a lengthy historical lecture on why Russia owns Ukraine<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Putin was unwilling to give Trump the ceasefire deal the U.S. president desired. Putin did, however, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/world\/china\/putins-demand-ukraine-give-up-donbas-no-nato-no-western-troops-sources-say-2025-08-21\/\">make a territorial proposal<\/a> that kept Trump interested in continuing to play the peacemaker: If Russia acquired all of the territory of the two oblasts that made up the Donbas, then Russia would consider freezing its lines in Zaporizhzhia and Kherson.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2>Haggling over percentiles<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This provided the background for an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/live\/2025\/08\/18\/us\/trump-zelensky-ukraine-putin\">extraordinary meeting in the White House<\/a> on Aug. 18, 2025, when seven European leaders joined Zelenskyy in meeting Trump to discuss a possible endgame to the war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Ukrainian delegation was <a href=\"https:\/\/news-pravda.com\/world\/2025\/08\/18\/1609568.html\">pictured entering the White House<\/a> with what looked like a rolled-up map. In the Oval Office, however, they were confronted with the White House\u2019s own <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.com\/news\/articles\/cjeynw8jppdo\">rigid board depicting a map of the \u201cRussia-Ukraine Conflict<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It featured a <a href=\"https:\/\/data.europa.eu\/apps\/data-visualisation-guide\/choropleth-maps\">choropleth display<\/a> with the estimated territory under Russian occupation colored in orange and quantified as a percentage figure of each oblast\u2019s territory. The map indicated that Russia occupied 99% of Luhansk and 76% of Donetsk. Putin wanted 100% of both \u2013 a demand that required Ukraine to surrender the fortified territories safeguarding central Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img src=\"https:\/\/images.theconversation.com\/files\/697498\/original\/file-20251021-56-thjh4a.png?ixlib=rb-4.1.0&amp;q=45&amp;auto=format&amp;w=754&amp;fit=clip\" alt=\"A map is shown in front of a bust and various people.\" \/><figcaption>A close-up of the White House map showing percentiles over various Ukrainian regions. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/p20250818dt-2178_54732163195_o_fb8a69.jpg\">The White House<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>What the Oval Office map meant to Trump was clear the following day in a <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/kKnpQpKI-oE?si=hQvjW0JujfIu2bGK\">phone interview on \u201cFox and Friends<\/a>.\u201d Referring to the map, he said that a \u201cbig chunk of territory is taken,\u201d implying it is now lost to Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In other words, the map recorded the score in real estate terms from a regrettable war between a small state and a much larger one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Zelenskyy tried to argue for a different approach to map issues, one that affirmed the symbolic and strategic importance of keeping Ukraine\u2019s territorial integrity alive as an ideal for Ukrainians and the international community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He made some progress. After meeting Zelenskyy at the United Nations on Sept. 23, Trump suggested that Ukraine could succeed in its fight to \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/09\/23\/us\/politics\/trump-russia-ukraine.html\">take back their country in its original form<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2>Battlegrounds as real estate<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>With Trump seemingly drifting toward supporting Ukraine with long-range missiles, Putin seized the initiative by phoning Trump. In an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/10\/16\/us\/politics\/trump-putin-cease-fire-ukraine.html\">extensive phone call<\/a> prior to Zelenskyy\u2019s White House visit on Oct. 17, the Russian leader updated his offer for peace, suggesting his forces would withdraw from Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in return for all of the Donbas region.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This set the stage for the latest reported Trump-Zelenskyy shouting match and the tossing aside of front-line maps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Afterward, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.trumpstruth.org\/statuses\/33340\">Trump posted on social media<\/a>: \u201c\u2026 it is time to stop the killing, and make a DEAL! Enough blood has been shed, with property lines being defined by War and Guts. They should stop where they are.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is Trump\u2019s current position on map issues. Backing off pressuring Ukraine to give up all the Donbas in public, he believes that Ukraine and the Donbas should be \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/russia-ukraine-war-drones-gas-strikes-energy-50826ce7b96814ad943d8721c1a2915c\">cut up\u201d along the current battlelines<\/a>. Asked in a Fox News <a href=\"https:\/\/globalnews.ca\/news\/11485009\/trump-ukraine-potential-land-exchange-russia-peace\/\">interview on Oct. 6<\/a> whether Putin would be open to ending the war \u201cwithout taking significant property from Ukraine,\u201d Trump responded: \u201cWell, he\u2019s going to take something. They fought and he has a lot of property. He\u2019s won certain property.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This gets at how Zelenskyy and Trump seemingly see different things when they look at front-line maps. The Ukrainian leader sees a painful reality, his country\u2019s geo-body violently cut apart by an invading, occupying power. Trump comments indicate he sees it as a property dispute in which the strongest power has accumulated some territorial winnings and now needs to cash them in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/profiles\/gerard-toal-507842\">Gerard Toal<\/a>, Professor of Government and International Affairs, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/institutions\/virginia-tech-1078\">Virginia Tech<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This article is republished from <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\">The Conversation<\/a> under a Creative Commons license. Read the <a href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/when-it-comes-to-ukraine-peace-negotiations-its-all-over-the-map-265798\">original article<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gerard Toal, Virginia Tech Donald Trump is reportedly \u201csick\u201d of seeing maps of the front line in Ukraine. Indeed, according to one European official\u2019s account, he tossed aside Ukrainian delegation maps during his latest meeting with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House on Oct. 17, 2025. Instead, Trump is said to have aggressively pushed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":56,"featured_media":40891,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[46,10,47,296,36,4,38],"tags":[11628,17053,479,11215,885,891,886,860,234,11192,1602,949,1212,11506,99],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40890"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/56"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=40890"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40890\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":40892,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/40890\/revisions\/40892"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/40891"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=40890"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=40890"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.lifeandnews.com\/articles\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=40890"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}